Thursday, November 8, 2018

Vampire 5th continues to be a shit show.

Vampire 5th edition, maybe it should be filth edition... continues to be an ongoing shit show.

I'll copy paste what has been said along with posting a screenshot of the text from a new V5 book.  At the bottom I'll link to the original post that I saw.

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"Joseph D. Carriker
(Please note this is public, so it can be shared. Interact with it accordingly, folks.)
So, filing this under "Second Verse Same As The First": the excerpt bel...ow is from the upcoming Camarilla book for Vampire: the Masquerade 5th Edition.

In it, it describes a vampire-dominated Chechnya. Even setting aside the gross implications of that design decision - and there are plenty of them - it also turns the internment of queer people into literal death camps into what amounts to a distraction.
 
This text literally refers to the "controversy" (which is such a weighted word in this context, quite frankly, carrying with it connotations of mountains being made of mole-hills) over queer internment and murder as "clever media manipulation." This text literally turns the ending of queer lives into a throw-away feint that hides vampires. Which is a monstrous reframing of that real-world thing STILL GOING ON.
 
This is egregiously vile. It's not okay. Our lives are constantly being *ended* for straight peoples' prejudices in real life, but also in fiction and media for straight peoples' fucking entertainment, and all of this is just "second verse same as the first."
 
This isn't avant garde. This is 100% the typical, tired, cliched treatment that queer people constantly receive in overculture's media about us. This is yet more Tragedy Porn, and not only is it distasteful in the extreme, but it's wildly unacceptable.
 
I've already spoken about this with Martin Ericsson, and quite honestly I find his framing of the issue to be callous, while hiding behind performative allyship. But I will let him show up and speak to that: he has asked that I not publish his response, pending approval from his bosses, and I'm find by that, for now. But *something* needs to be said, and in the larger framework, something needs to be *done* about the attitudes in the current iteration of White Wolf that makes this kind of seething horseshit not just acceptable, but desirable.
 
This is not a good fucking look, White Wolf. Not in the least."
 
Here is the link to the original facebook post:
 
All I can say is I'm quite happy to not have bought into V5 in the least and never plan on doing so.
 
 
 

13 comments:

  1. I created a petition based on your informing me of this and also my own reaction to the content. https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/remove-chechnya-chapter-from-the-camarilla

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  2. If you read that chapter critically, did you see the part where they talked about those real world atrocities and described them as a "distraction" from the bullshit for their invented monsters?

    People engaging in activism to get queer people out of these actual concentration camps say that the hardest issue around getting people to do something about it is the fact that people are dismissive of it happening.

    If art is going to use real world horror, then it needs to keep the focus not only on that horror (and not present it only so their made-up bad guys seem scary) but they also need to not attribute it to fictional people when it is happening because of real-world people.

    So, suffice to say, I wildly disagree with your hot take here. You're queer - you should be standing up for the queer people in those camps, not siding with people who minimize and diminish what is happening there.

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  3. You are making me laugh so hard in this morning.

    Ok, let me see....

    "bullshit for their invented monsters" Im so glad that vampires didn't exists, really!
    But I play a game with invented monsters inserted in a real situation. So.... if this thing is happening in reallity this makes me a LOT more afraid and angry than "the distraction" of invented monsters.

    Fantasy always take things of reality to shout out this problem and spit it in the face of people that doesn't look for reality.
    For me this part is being AWESOME and serving it's purpose. You don't know how happy I am seeing a lot of nerds that don't look for the special causes arguing about "real world atrocities and described them as a "distraction" from the bullshit for their invented monsters?".

    See this atrocity in television is ok, but OH MY GOD this atrocity was placed im my invented world of invented monsters! OMG THIS IS SO HORRIBLE
    I NEED TO MAKE A PETITION!

    Ok dont buy v5, make a petition, but at least, use your perplexity and donate for those groups, until you do it you are just whining.

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  4. I made the petition because I believe it will benefit them to remove the chapter and show the rest of the (excellent) book off as well as how awesome V5 is.

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  5. This is why we can't have nice things. A few paragraphs poorly worded and the out cry will cripple white wolf because you loose your collective minds.

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    1. Actually it appears the entire section on Chechnya will not cripple White Wolf, but sink it. As the Chechan government is very angry about it and in response Paradox is ending White Wolf as an inhouse publishing branch.

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    1. I'm not deleting this comment because it is just so fucking bizarre. Some people are more delusional than what I thought.

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  7. - " Actually it appears the entire section on Chechnya will not cripple White Wolf, but sink it. As the Chechan government is very angry about it and in response Paradox is ending White Wolf as an inhouse publishing branch. " Truly has it . This content will be erased , - but more than this all of what White Wolf did here will
    be labeled as neo nazi merchandising , the trick of trade would be
    turn some sort of critisizing stance into neo nazi propaganda .

    In my opinion it is more about this : It is a hard thing to do -
    make a video game having this size and establish some content in Chechnya. If so , why? I must admit that I woudn ´t have implemented such a location I myself , but nevermind , London for example could ´ ve been a even weaker choice .

    Anyways . Look , they will make Bloodlines 2 a 1st person perspective game.This has almost nothing to do with what we knew or wanted.More than that , I think it is fairly unnecessary to write some content that wants to engage or motivate in a authentical way , I don ´t need the daily dose of what went wrong in the world if
    all I try to reach out to is some sort of , well , alternative .
    Speaking of alternatives - figure out how people at Paradox speak about looking into the future . And getting mature ( in fact they should be mature , looks like they are mature , doesn ´t it ).

    Take franchises like Altered cabron , Cyberpunk 2077 , Ridley Scott ´s Blade Runner and it makes me think that in the future everything shall look like that .EMF everywhere , but let ´s not get too nazi , ehm , PC , ehm , conspiracy theorist . Lonesome vampire at night . Get the picture ?

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